Where can we go to see the oil spill?

topic posted Thu, November 15, 2007 - 12:08 AM by  Ted
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for real, seriously, I want to go have a look at the oil spill, I want to see what everyone's talking about, but not get in the way or get too close. Of course I'd rather there was no oil spill at alll, but as long as it's here, I'm curious to see it up close. Where are some good spots to go see it up close?
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  • Re: Where can we go to see the oil spill?

    Thu, November 15, 2007 - 10:03 AM
    Ted Ted Ted, spectators like you really irk me, so if you are going to just stand around and look, I strongly suggest you also get your hands dirty and help clean up the mess! and if you are too intimidated to volunteer to help clean up beaches from this oil spill, at least you can help with general beach clean-up next month...

    >>>co-opted from Tree's post:
    On Sunday, December 2nd, John Butler Trio www.johnbutlertrio.com will be collaborating with Rock the Earth www.rocktheearth.org, Surfrider Foundation www.surfrider.org and Save the Bay www.savesfbay.org to clean up Ocean Beach in San Francisco. The Surfrider Foundation is a non-profit grassroots organization dedicated to the protection and enjoyment of our world's oceans, waves and beaches. Founded in 1984 by a handful of visionary surfers in Malibu, California, the Surfrider Foundation now has over 50,000 members and 80 chapters worldwide. The San Francisco chapter's Beach Clean-Up Program is one of the most successful of its kind. As a recipient of the Surfrider Foundation's distinguished "Clean Beach Award," this program has set the standard for other Surfrider chapters around the country, and increasingly, the world.

    It would be great to get a good showing of people out for the clean up to show JBT just how much we care about our beaches. This will be a great event for all ages so bring the kids AND the grandparents! Bags for trash collection will be provided by Surfrider so all you need to bring is a willingness to help beautify Ocean Beach :-)

    To participate in the San Francisco John Butler Trio environmental service project, write to tree@rocktheearth.org

    And don't miss JBT at the Warfield later that night!
    • Re: Where can we go to see the oil spill?

      Thu, November 15, 2007 - 1:03 PM
      Chili Chili Chili, presumptuousness like yours really irks me. I strongly suggest that if you're going to go around preaching to people you know nothing about, you take less of a holier-than-thou attitude about it!

      I want to see the mess for myself, without getting in anyone's way or bothering the professionals cleaning up, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that! I think everyone in the area should go see the spill for themselves if they can, so that they understand just what a horrendous fucking mess this kind of thing is, and then maybe more people will start paying more attention to the impact that we all have on the environment. Maybe more people will start looking at what they can do to help, if they see it for themselves. Better to at least see it than not to see it at all!

      I was under the impression that most of the bulk cleanup of big globs of oil had already happened, and I've heard on the news that the cleanup people are requesting that untrained citizens not go around trying to clean up themselves as they could cause more harm to oiled birds, or to themselves. I honestly didn't think there was much of anything that I could do. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's where I'm coming from. I'm not "intimidated", but I was sick last weekend, this weekend I have to work, and like I just said, I wasn't aware that I could do much of anything about it anyways - I assumed they already had cleanup crews working on it.

      How about instead of copying a listing for a concert, you post links of where people can actually go to get their hands dirty and help out? OK, you did that with the savesfbay link, and believe it or not, one of the things they say that can help is to "document the problem", which means to go and be a spectator, and then write it down.
      • Re: Where can we go to see the oil spill?

        Thu, November 15, 2007 - 1:36 PM
        "How about instead of copying a listing for a concert, you post links of where people can actually go to get their hands dirty and help out?"

        Try re-reading the post that Chili copied from me, Ted. The whole post talks about cleaning up beaches and "getting your hands dirty." The only thing in there about a concert is the very last sentence.

        And you have to admit (or you probably wouldn't) that making a post about where you can go to see the oil spill does sound pretty odd. Try looking at it from someone else's perspective and maybe you'll see what I mean.
        • Re: Where can we go to see the oil spill?

          Thu, November 15, 2007 - 2:26 PM
          I say in my post that I see that she does post a link to where people can go help out. Read my post again. The website says that people can go help out by going and checking out the oil spill, and documenting it. Savethebay.org (your link, by the way) says that being a spectator can be helpful, of course not as helpful as cleaning it up, but still helpful nonetheless. I'll admit that I was upset by the starting tone of Chili's response and should have read the second part more closely.

          I admit that it may seem a little odd to say "I want to go see the oil spill", but, like I explain, it really isn't that odd at all, it's quite normal. I want to see it. I want to go see it with my own eyes, not just on TV or the newspaper. I'm not expecting to have a warm fuzzy feeling when I see it, I'm in fact expecting to get pretty pissed off about it, more than I already am! Nevertheless, I think it's important that EVERYONE have a look at this disaster for themselves, whether or not they help out. I think seeing it will help all of us understand, just like seeing a Holocaust museum or one of those Bush Lied About The War movies, we need to see shit like this, we need to see it for ourselves. We need to see the impacts of our uber-consumerism, we need to be directly confronted with the impacts of not being careful about the environment and taking it for granted. Sometimes I feel like nothing short of a civilization-threatening disaster (rising sea levels? aquifer depletion? skyrocketing cancer rates? wide-scale soil erosion? . . .) will make most people wake the fuck up and understand that our consumption methods are utterly unsustainable. If people want to go see the oil spill, for God's sake, don't give them such a hard time about it, just tell where they can go see it, and when they see it, they'll understand!!

          Try looking at it from that perspective and maybe, just maybe, you'll see what I mean.