so now we're seeing more and more coyotes in and around the urban parts of the Bay Area. I've seen plenty of them in the hills near my place (Emerald Hills), but they're getting into the city and causing problems. They're getting used to people, and in SoCal they've even tried to run off with babies (no, really)! What should we do about it? Have you ever encountered aggressive coyotes on the trail? Granted, they're less of a problem than an aggressive mountain lion, but still . . .
here's a nifty article:
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
here's a nifty article:
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 7:51 PMI can't imagine a non-rabid coyote attacking an adult human unless the human was messing with the coyote. In any case, Ted, what would you do? I personally have never had problems with coyotes and don't anticipate it being a problem...now mt. lions is an entirely different issue. In any case, one is more likely to be bitten by a rabid dog walking in an urban era than bitten by a coyote in the wild... -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 10:19 PMThere haven't been a lot of attacks on humans, but there's been a few, more than in the past, and they're not rabid, just emboldened from previous positive encounters with humans. Again, most of the attacks have been on small children, and yeah you're still in much more danger from domestic dogs with stupid owners. More coyotes are moving into towns though, so I just wanted to bring the topic up. We're going to hear a little more about cities shooting coyotes, and a little more about wild animal etiquitte.
Here's what I'd suggest:
don't ever feed them, and leave food out of reach if coyotes might come around (including your garbage can)
be a little more aware if you're with little kids in the woods
enjoy coyotes from a distance, but if they are getting friendly or curious chase them away! Don't let them get comfortable approaching humans! Make 'em keep their distance!
If they attack you then fight back and kick their asses to let them know that they can't just go do that, and then get a rabies shot.
you know, your basic wild animal etiquitte . . .
I think it's more of an issue in and around towns than out in the woods. I'd rather the coyotes not get shot, but trapping and relocation doesn't always work, espcially if the animals are used to getting food from humans.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 9:35 PMI work around the rural hillsides and see coyotes. Usually they just move away from approaching humans. They do go after pets by hunting them in packs. I believe wild predators moving into human habitat means their being pushed out of other areas by overpopulation. We were the the most aggressive predator of these wild animals, and now that we protect them, their populations are growing and spreading. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 7:56 AMOne thing that I do, is to make sure that all pet food is taken inside at night before dark.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 3:10 PMWhoa I live in SoCal and I always hear coyotes in Griffith Park, though I've never encountered them. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 9:05 PMWe lived in New Mexico for 10 years where there are lots & lots of coyotes. What you learn is to keep your pets indoors at night & be careful. It's a wild world, and they are wild animals, but you shouldn't have to worry. -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 4:09 PMIve seen a couple of Coyotes around Edgewood and they havent been to interested in me, although I must say that the give me the slight woolies after dark.
We had a similar debate some time ago regarding Mountain Lions... bayareahiking.tribe.net/thread...67d2119 -
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Thu, April 17, 2008 - 5:46 PMI don't think Coyotes present a danger to adult humans. Maybe small children and pets. In Comparison, there was that young mountain lion who tried to haul off a mountain biker in Palo Alto. -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 11:52 AM
in case I didn't already post it, here's an interesting wildlife article in .pdf:
repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/vi...ent.cgi
I don't think we need to be afraid of 'em so much as we need to think about our relationship with the ones that are moving into the cities and towns.
I've also seen them in Edgewood Park (I live right next door) and I love seeing them in there, they just trot along into the bushes and then theyr'e invisible, just like that! -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 1:53 PMIf you live in rural area or are right next to a rural area, wild predators are something you should expect and learn to deal with. But if you live in the city, wild predators have no place there. The more dangerous the predator, the farther it should be human habitation.
"California's mountain lion population has been stable at 4,000 to 6,000 for a decade, but reported sightings have nearly tripled this year, the state's fish and game department says.
Fatal attacks remain rare — six since 1890, state officials say. The most recent, and first since 1994, came in January, when a lion attacked and killed cyclist Mark Reynolds, 35, along a popular trail in an Orange County wilderness park southeast of Los Angeles.
A day later, the same lion severely injured Anne Hjelle, 30, a fitness trainer and former Marine who was saved when a friend pulled her away from the cat."
www.usatoday.com/news/nati...city_x.htm
The closer predators live to cities, the greater the problem of attacks will be. Our relationships with predators will change as they get more comfortable being around humans. -
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Fri, April 18, 2008 - 11:33 PMMan, you guys are some cheerful Chesters!
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Sun, April 20, 2008 - 3:43 PMI should add: I studied what coyotes are eating in Orange County. I found no evidence of human babies but lots of evidence of human garbage. The coyotes were generally eating cats, dogs, trash, and exotic fruits. We did find a few rodents and rabbits, but mostly human-generated opportunism. What to do? Keep your cat in your house, your dog on a leash, and a lid on your garbage can. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:38 AMHi Ted
I hike Edgewood a lot, most days when Im in the Bay Area. Do you get up there much yourself? Did you ever see the deer carcass over in the meadows? It was knocking around for weeks and I was always wondering what had taken it.......a mountain lion, coyotes or just simply old age.
Ive a friend who lives on Skyline who once showed me another deer carcass in her back garden, definatley a mountain lion kill. I often wonder if the Skyline lions ever cross under the 280 underpass for some easy hunting.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:41 AMHi Ed
Im not suprized to hear that the Orange County Coyotes are eating garbage, not to different from the human diet in Orange County.
Happy wildlife spotting around the garbage cans!
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Coyote attacks a child in her front yard in Lake Arrowhead
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 1:10 AM
The Associated Press
Article Launched: 05/08/2008 12:38:22 AM PDT
LAKE ARROWHEAD, Calif.—Melissa Rowley left her children playing in the front yard for only a moment to step into her house.
When she came back a coyote was dragging her daughter away.
It was the third time in five days a coyote had posed a threat to a small child in Southern California, San Bernardino Sheriff's spokeswoman Arden Wiltshire said.
The coyote grabbed the 2-year-old by the head and tried to drag her towards the street in the mountain community of Lake Arrowhead on Tuesday.
When Rowley came out of the house and ran toward her daughter, the animal released the girl and ran away.
Rowley took her daughter to a hospital where the toddler was treated for several puncture wounds to the head and neck area, and a laceration on her mouth.
She was then flown to Loma Linda University Hospital for further treatment, although her injuries were not life-threatening. She was released from the hospital Wednesday afternoon and is expected to fully recover.
State Fish and Game wardens and county animal control officers set traps for the coyote and were monitoring the neighborhood high in the San Bernardino Mountains about 65 miles miles northeast of Los Angeles.
A neighbor, Dottie Edwards, described a "scruffy-looking" coyote who had been hanging around the neighborhood for several weeks to KNBC-TV.
"In the past they've been frightened of humans and if you shooed them, they'd go away, but they're not doing that,"
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Edwards said. "I feel responsible, because I didn't call Animal Control and I should have. We all should have because he was like, stalking us."
On Friday, a nanny pulled another 2-year-old girl from the jaws of a coyote at Alterra Park in Chino Hills, a San Bernardino County community about 30 miles east of Los Angeles. The girl suffered puncture wounds to her buttocks and was treated at a hospital.
A coyote came after another toddler in the same park Sunday. The child's father kicked and chased the coyote away.
Alterra Park is near Chino Hills State Park, a natural open space of thousands of acres spanning nearly 31 miles.
The park was temporarily closed by Fish and Game officials so trappers could locate the animal.
Trappers caught and killed three animals in Chino Hills Tuesday night, one of which they believe is the coyote who bit the child, said Fish and Game spokesman Harry Morse.
The animal that attacked the baby in the sandbox was described as limping on its left leg, and one of the animals trapped had a broken left leg, he said.
Morse said biologists can't explain the rash of coyote incidents.
The animals are lured into neighborhoods by dog or cat food left outdoors, food that people leave out for wild animals and scraps in garbage cans, he said.
"People get used to seeing them, but this is a wild animal and you do not want a wild animal in your backyard," Morse said. "When coyotes get habitualized to being around people and lose that fear of humans, that's when it's very tenuous."
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Thu, May 15, 2008 - 9:46 AMOH GOD MORE COYOTE TROUBLE IN SF WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE SEE I TOLD YOU SO!!
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 9:41 AMHi iMosaicmix
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 5:11 PMWell, as I said to Ed when I wrote him, I found the comments mildly insulting and not really contributing to the conversation. -
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 9:10 AMHi iMosaicmix
Who found the remarks insulting? As I remember the poster appeared in my opininon to misinterpret the direction of this thread. Im not sure if that deserves deletion? -
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 5:31 PMup to this point I haven't seen any real offensive remarks - just a lot of attitude. -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 4:06 PMI'll reiterate - *I* found the comments mildly insulting and not contributing to the thread. This thread is about coyotes, not moderatorship style or how one individual loudly believes coyotes are not a reasonable concern to hikers.
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Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:40 PMAnd yet one more article. I'm not looking for them, they are just popping up. I was looking up the Gilroy Memorial day parade.
gilroydispatch.1871dev.com/news...d-dog
