Mountain Lions

topic posted Sun, March 12, 2006 - 8:25 AM by 
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I was talking with friends the other evening, when the subject of solo hiking and Mountain Lions came up.

I often hike alone in Lion territory and dont consider there to be much risk, although my above mentioned friends considered that there is some element of danger.

Ive seen a Mountain Lion stalking horses in Sonoma and know that they sometimes attack outside ot their usual prey group.

Does anyone have any other sightings or input?
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    Re: Mountain Lions

    Sun, March 12, 2006 - 6:25 PM
    All I know is that they are more likely to attack if you are alone. If you are with a partner they may feel outnumbered and will most likely leave you alone. I would bring some pepper spray if your really worried
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    Sun, March 12, 2006 - 9:01 PM
    I saw one a couple of years ago while hiking alone, in a clearing a couple hundred feet ahead of me. I had just come around a corner, and I'm pretty sure he saw me but didn't seem to care. I just backed up slowly so I could watch him from between the trees, until he eventually wandered off. I'm not sure what would have happened if I had been closer or had startled him.

    It hasn't stopped me from going back, but I always try to be aware of any movement or sounds (especially footsteps) around me.
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    Sun, March 12, 2006 - 9:11 PM
    The usual thing they say is to look as big as you can (if you have a jacket, open it and make it look as wide as possible; if you have a child, put the child on your shoulders to look bigger). And if attacked, fight back -- you can freak the thing out if you put up enough of a fight.

    I don't say this from experience doing it, but rather from experience reading the warnings posted... YMMV...
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      Mon, March 13, 2006 - 9:20 AM
      oh yes i jsut remembered one litle thing which was to never ever ever stair straight at them if you have a cose encounter. I think you are jsut supposed to back away slowly. as far as making yourself bigger goes... would this make them attack you since you are basically challenging them if you try to make yourself look bigger.
      • Re: Mountain Lions

        Tue, January 30, 2007 - 3:38 PM
        I just recently read that you SHOULD maintain eye contact if you find yourself making direct eye contact. Just like a household cat, they don't like to be stared at, and if you look away it may be considered a sign of weakness by them.
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    Mon, March 13, 2006 - 9:59 AM
    This may help...

    How to reduce the chances of an encounter with a Mountain Lion:

    * Avoid hiking alone, especially between dusk and dawn, when lions normally do their hunting. Make plenty of noise while you hike so as to reduce the chances of surprising a lion.
    * Always keep children in sight while hiking and within arm's reach in areas that can conceal a lion. Mountain Lions seem to be drawn to children.
    * Hike with a good walking stick; this can be useful in warding off a lion.


    How to reduce the chances of an attack when encountering a Mountain Lion:

    * Do not approach a lion, especially if it is feeding or with its young. Most lions will avoid confrontation. Give them a way to escape.
    * Stay calm and face the lion. Do not run because this may trigger the lion's instinct to attack. Try to appear larger by raising your hands.
    * Pick up small children so they don't panic and run. This will also make you appear larger. Avoid bending over or crouching.
    * If the lion acts aggressively, throw rocks, branches, or whatever can be obtained without turning your back or bending over.
    * Fight back if attacked. Since a mountain lion usually tries to bite the head or neck, try to remain standing and face the attacking animal. People have successfully fought back with rocks, sticks, or bare hands.
  • Re: Mountain Lions

    Thu, March 16, 2006 - 11:50 AM
    I saw one in Tennessee Valley in Marin about 5 years ago, on the main trail to the beach.

    It was about the height of a German Shepherd, but much skinnier. It was sort of loping as it cut across the trail in front of me, in a moving-away direction (which I was very happy about). It was incredibly graceful, yet it moved like it was made of pure wire; its feet seemed to not touch the ground. It was there and gone in about 5 seconds. So was I, in what I hoped was the opposite direction.

    The Marin IJ reported that a couple of llamas were killed by a lion a few years ago out in Bolinas.

    Definitely crosses my mind on the more remote hikes.
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    Fri, March 17, 2006 - 12:01 PM
    there is good advice here, and I'd like to stress that this is a very rare occurrance to worry about.

    personally I feel blessed for having had a mountain lion *bonding* when I was about 13 years old. we had a staring contest for a good 3 minutes actually, at 15 feet from each other. My dog (large, but still smaller and stupider - alas domesticated - than the tempting "kitty" on the fence) and my younger brother got all freaked out and neurotic and loud...the huge, muscular (even its tail), and wiry cat and I just watched each other. It was truly amazing. I was not afraid, more curious and awestruck by its sheer size and beauty.

    Today if I encountered one hiking or whatever (IF!), I would still assume it was the dominant predator, at home in its wild environment where I was a mere visitor or snack item. BUT I strongly believe that the vibe of FEAR that people carry is tangible to animals (and to some people) and most especially to predators and those intending to instill fear as a tool to discombobulate prey. It is good to carry a self-confident and "alpha" vibe when in the wilderness (natural or urban!) along with that stick. As *they* say >be careful what you wish for 'cause it might come true< and don't manifest your fears!

    Oh and fyi :
    Animals respond to baring of the teeth, so don't freaking smile at the cat (or dog) unless you are planning to BE the aggressor and advance in a loud and threatening manner. I use this to technique to break up dog fights (only when absolutely necessary, but I was a dog handler) or to scare off large raccoons in my 'hood. It has never NOT worked for me as a disorienting and aggressive scare tactic. But you have to give off that alpha energy without hesitation or slacking off inorder to succeed.
    • Re: Mountain Lions

      Sun, March 19, 2006 - 12:28 AM
      I used to work in Muir Woods, and I got really tired of all the city folk from around the world freaking out when they heard that Mt. Lions had been sighted in the area, so I did a bit of research. I looked up the list of all the reported mountain lion attacks in the state of california back to the turn of the last century, and compaired it to a list of homicides and violent crimes in the state for the same period. Guess what? We should have posted a sign as they left the park: "Warning: You are now leaving Mountain Lion Habitat (You are about 27 thousand times more likely to be killed by a human than a Mountain Lion, and about 400 thousand times more likely to be violently attacked by a human)"
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        Tue, March 21, 2006 - 1:42 PM
        Jeff, that's a good reminder: the likelihood of a problem is low. I think what engages people's imagination about mountain lions is similar to what's, um, interesting about great white sharks: the chance of being eaten, perhaps while still alive :-)

        Here's a link to actual reports of attacks, 1991 - 2000. The tangible risk, statistically speaking, seems to be to children.

        users.frii.com/mytymyk/li...ttacks2.htm
        • Re: Mountain Lions

          Sun, March 26, 2006 - 10:22 PM
          I must admit that prior to recent research, I had taken the Mountain Lion issue for granted. Of course statistically the odds of being attacked are relatively low, although I am now adjusting my awareness when in Mountain Lion territory.

          • Re: Mountain Lions

            Mon, April 3, 2006 - 12:24 AM
            Cats are pretty smart. They don't want to fight, especially with something as large as a human. If a cat is going to attack a human, it's most likely going to come from above and behind, as it drops out of a tree to snap your neck, making quick work of the task.

            As posted above, staying together in groups, keeping children in sight, not making the cat feel cornered, and not appearing submissive or fearful. Don't turn your back, don't bend down. Chances are good that if you have SEEN the cat, it doesn't intend to attack you and will probably split.
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            Mon, April 10, 2006 - 9:45 PM
            at UC Santa Cruz, there are signs indicating the presence of mountain lions in the woods on the campus property. they should also read that more people are sexually assualted on those same fire trails and roads (one or two every year or so) than cougar attacks on humans (i think it's zero since the school began in the 1960s).

            fucking city slickers.
            • Re: Mountain Lions

              Wed, January 31, 2007 - 9:58 PM
              make noise and make yourself seem big...they dont want to try to take down an animal that is too big for them to take down and eat.
              dont run away..only food runs away....
              instead stand tall and make the loudest most irritating noises...and run toward them like a bear...
              instinctually most animals of prey..think if you are food, you will probably try to run away and be meek...kind of like the people I work with actually..dont show weakness!!!
  • Re: Mountain Lions

    Sun, April 23, 2006 - 1:06 PM
    I just went camping alone in an area well-known for it's mountain lion population (Big Sur mountains), but for some reason the population there doesn't seem to go after people like the cats in SoCal and some other places do. I was told that they've never had a problem in the Monterey backwoods, and people go in there all the time. I wonder why it's so different in other places - maybe they're getting used to us and aren't so afraid anymore around the hills of Southern California, and even a little in the South Bay! It's still very very rare, but we've had cougars showing up in people's backyards and around schools in the South Bay, more than before.

    users.frii.com/mytymyk/lions/pumadfn.htm
    good table to identify lion behavior and what to do in response

    www.cougarinfo.org/onguard.htm
    do's and don'ts

    basically, if you're threatened, look big, grab your kids and ACT AGGRESSIVELY, growl, look it in the eye, show your teeth, don't take any shit from it, be in charge, dominate, act like you will kick it's ass!! It's all about attitude, and luck.

    Of course, if I were ever in that situation I'd probably shit my pants . . .
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    Tue, April 25, 2006 - 7:42 PM
    Statistically, you're much more likely to be killed on the drive to the trail than by a mountain lion in the backcountry. I've solo hiked in the Big Sur for years w/o issue. As long as you're not trail running you odds of startling a cat are minimal.

    For some perspective, Jack English (some 85 years old and counting) still lives by himself in Pine Valley and hasn't been carried off by the cougars yet.
    montereycountyweekly.com/issue..._story

    With that said, here's a simply incredible recent photo by Ivan Eberle from the Church Creen Drainage in the Ventana Wilderness:
    www.ivaneberle.com/P.concolor9.html

    Its sobering to remember that the cats are definately still out there...
    • Re: Mountain Lions

      Thu, April 27, 2006 - 10:22 AM
      Yeah, I know, I've never so much as heard a mountain lion, and I've been in there a couple of other times too. I was reading about the issue, should they allow hunting or not, there's been an increase in attacks in some places, and I realized I just didn't know what to do if I ran into an aggressive lion. Now I do, I think.

      That would be fun to play with some lion cubs, they are just so cute!
  • Re: Mountain Lions

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 4:55 AM
    I was hiking daily in Anadell, a park in Santa Rosa......I noticed lions on several occasions. I also noticed one about two feet away from my feet once, and even though I was aware that you should not run and you should stay calm, I ran and yelled for my dog to do the same. It can be hard to execute the proper movements when in the situation. I do hike a lot alone, I also hike with my dog and I heard he can be an easy target for mountain lions, even attracting them to me. I feel much safer when he is with me, however.......I try to feel privileged for being able to witness these beautiful creatures amongst there homes, but on a different note, I am constantly thinking of the prey-predator relationship on my hikes

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